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TOPIC: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules

Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #103

Actually I see your point Jeremy, OK delete that part from my previous post. Thats been talked about in the past and I was always under the understanding it HAD to be on but again NOT functional, WHY, because it came installed on the motor

Would like to discuss something I saw today at the Madison/Sellersburg race and I forsee this to be a BIG problem if something is not done about it soon. An RTR cut a buoy and took the lead only to get accessed a bouy cut penalty when all other classes get a lap penalty for taking the lead on a buoy cut. If this is the case, and people know its only a 50 point deduction, we're gonna see cut buoys for the lead all the time. This needs to be stopped before it gets out of hand.

I propose this for this problem:
* If you cut a buoy and take the lead and NOT surrender the lead back, you will be accessed a one lap penalty
OR
* If you cut a buoy and take the lead and NOT surrender the lead back, then you surrender 1/2 of your finishing points if you go onto win the heat. (We call it a point penalty. Winner would receive 400 points but have 200 deducted for cut buoy lead change.)

CD said today there is NO rule on this matter.
Last Edit: 3 years 9 months ago by Aaron Johnson.
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #104

Arron Section 3 on page G8 of the rule book. I agree with you but it is hard enough to call in infraction as it is. One of the most important things I learned from my first time as a cd is that identifying a boat for an infraction or penalty is difficult at best. I think boats should have some sort of number on them that is visable to the judges. Ok now I am gonna open a can of worms, but here goes. The rtr class i belive was intended so that new boaters could get into the hobby cheaply. I think we either should have two classes of rtr like rookie and experienced, something like that because when a young person or someone who may be running his or her first race and is having a hard time keeping his lane but trying his best, gets belittled by a seasoned racer that is not helping that childs attitude toward racing and he may not want to continue. Hence we lost a future modler. Another thing that should be addressed and Arron touched on was the outdated rules. I think the above rules should be submitted to the IMPBA and made the national rules. And I think every district should have to follow national rules only for all classes. That way if someone from district 12 wants to come to district 2 they will have no problem with rules for whatever class he wants to enter. Maybe if we get the above rules submitted quick enough we can get them enacted.
Last Edit: 3 years 9 months ago by Marion Farmer.
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #107

Aaron Johnson wrote:
So far I like what I seen, I would like to see the motor and exhaust completely stock, use the pipe as it came in the box, no motor mods. As far as the original starting method, I think it should be in place but does NOT have to be fully functional. I see no problem with making the pull start a non factor. The only other thing relates to the half mill and the number of laps. I think the half mill should stay in place, it does promote better racing, I have said before I dont think it's that hard to learn the clock, I would however, if the half mill is kept would like to see it implemented in the rules that in order to cut from front to back, it MUST be done to the left of the clock or starting line, whichever is used. I know that dont sound like a big deal but earlier in the year, there was a race that said you could cut as soon as you come off bouy six, I think thats asking for trouble. 6 laps, 6 laps, 6 laps...please, we hold enough fuel to do it.
I dont see a problem cutting any where as long as you dont impede some one coming down the backstretch. SIX laps sounds good to me...... Props I dont care what prop is used long as its metal
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #119

Marion Farmer wrote:
Arron Section 3 on page G8 of the rule book. I agree with you but it is hard enough to call in infraction as it is. One of the most important things I learned from my first time as a cd is that identifying a boat for an infraction or penalty is difficult at best. I think boats should have some sort of number on them that is visable to the judges. Ok now I am gonna open a can of worms, but here goes. The rtr class i belive was intended so that new boaters could get into the hobby cheaply. I think we either should have two classes of rtr like rookie and experienced, something like that because when a young person or someone who may be running his or her first race and is having a hard time keeping his lane but trying his best, gets belittled by a seasoned racer that is not helping that childs attitude toward racing and he may not want to continue. Hence we lost a future modler. Another thing that should be addressed and Arron touched on was the outdated rules. I think the above rules should be submitted to the IMPBA and made the national rules. And I think every district should have to follow national rules only for all classes. That way if someone from district 12 wants to come to district 2 they will have no problem with rules for whatever class he wants to enter. Maybe if we get the above rules submitted quick enough we can get them enacted.
I disagree with the experienced and rookie classes. We dont ever really have enough rookies to make a class. Besides one thing I liked when I got into this hobby with the RTR's is the fact you got to race some of the experienced people. I think racing some of the best even though they run RTR's (Mikey, Grimracer, Don B and many others)helps makes you a better racer. I think the rookies should just get as much water time as possible and if they're still to uncomfortable to race, then race on the outside lanes till you feel your ready to get in there and mix it up. We know there's ALWAYS a chance to have a first time racer out there and we should be watching what they're doing as well, we are alot more capable of missing an accident than a first timer. No reason to seperate classes, that aint teaching them anything. As for the infraction/penalty in Madison, the boat clearly cut a buoy and took the lead, any other class, thats a lap penalty, you said there was nothing in there for RTR's on that matter and it was only a 50 point penalty, the boat was identified, just wrong interpretation of rules. Maybe EVERYBODY needs to be reminded RTR's fall under same course driving rules, if they aint got enough gas to make the lap penalty, then they need to change their tank.
Last Edit: 3 years 9 months ago by Aaron Johnson.
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #123

I am sorry Aaron I did find it and I was wrong. Page G8 top paragraph. However when I read it on this forum was the first I heard of it I didnt see it and evidently the other turn judges did not either. As for the different classes of RTR I agree also but maybe some of the experenced guys should become a little more understand and not yell at a kid and calmly tell them of their mistake they might learn better when confronted in a calm manner.
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #125

I think Jeff is got it going in the right direction. With a little tweeking
I think they will work to every ones need.

Randall Cartright
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #132

Marion Farmer wrote:
I am sorry Aaron I did find it and I was wrong. Page G8 top paragraph. However when I read it on this forum was the first I heard of it I didnt see it and evidently the other turn judges did not either. As for the different classes of RTR I agree also but maybe some of the experenced guys should become a little more understand and not yell at a kid and calmly tell them of their mistake they might learn better when confronted in a calm manner.
Thats cool, at least thats settled as for if it happens in the future and I know mistakes happen when calling the race and I know I'm not a member of your club nor was I a turn judge but I did point it out immediately upon happening and you acknowledged with the response that it didnt apply to RTR's, but it's in the past so long as we all make sure it dont become a common occurance. As for the experienced guys being a understanding, totally agree, I know we take a chance every time we hit the water in RTR with the newbs, BUT the newbs should also get some practice time b4 racing. I dont think they should use a heat race as their practice time. My dad found out it wasnt as easy as it looked, although I'm not to bad at not hitting anybody and getting around the course, I am STILL learning how to keep it right side up :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #148

This post is slowing down lets keep it going we need a set of rtr rules in black and white and the above ideas are great. Why dont you finalize it and let the district vote on it.
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #149

If no other clubs or RTR drivers speak up I will get Jeff to type up a couple versions to either pick apart or choose to make D-14 rules. I want to thank everyone who has interest in this class to step up and give your input. When this is settled our next topic will be THE SERIES......Mike
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Re: D-14 RTR 18 hydro rules 3 years 9 months ago #150

Cool!
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